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| Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev |
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| Sri K.V.Kamath |
IN CONVERSATION
WITH THE MYSTIC
26-03-2012
SADHGURU WITH K.V.KAMATH
In the latest episode
of “In Conversation with the Mystic” with Shri K.V.Kamath, Sadhguru gives us
FASCINATING and BRAND NEW approaches to various
Business and social problems.
The idea in this Blog Post is not to give
verbatim expression to this whole episode, which any way is not practricable, but to
capture its essence.
In this Q-A session, Mr. Kamath
puts forward excellent, topical questions, which really are racking the minds
of many, thinking Indians. These questions are not spiritual. Therefore, the
answers of Sadhguru are also DIFFERENT - from the usual spiritual
dimensions his disciples are accustomed to. But their validity in the
contemporary economic scenario – makes them refreshingly original and striking.
One feels compulsively
reminded of – Lord Krishna, who urges Arjuna his disciple, to FIGHT the battle
– against the non-righteous, unruly Kauravas. Jnana Yoga, Dhyana Yoga etc are only
weapons – to FIGHT this righteous war! I have tried to capture the essence but,
in this small and brief narration, my own interpretation is unavoidable. All
Sadhguru’s disciples, lovers and fans are therefore invited to read this – and
also enjoy the original, lively conversation – at :
Readers may kindly bear with me –
if they find any slight, unintentional deviations, from the essence of Sadhguru’s
own exquisite expressions and thoughts. I give below, the topic and what Sadhguru
says on that. You will also find simple comments of mine – on what I understand
from the answer and question.
PURPOSE OF BUSINESS
The goal of Business is to
expand constantly, which it can do in two ways – 1. By conquest; 2. By Embracing.
Inclusion of others by conquest and expansion resulting from it, results in
misery for both.
Many successful business
people today - look like the epitome of misery; they keep long faces always.
There is no happiness visible in them – born out of their success.
Success must be a sweet, beautiful,
enjoyable thing – not a miserable thing. So succeed by embracing; not by conquest;
Don’t include by conquest; do by embrace; expand by embracing. But now – wrong
message that is going to all is – successful people are miserable.
In last 4 years, we have multiplied
by over 20 times – by EMBRACE, NOT BY CONQUEST. You become joyful with
expansion by embrace – not by conquest.
My Comment : Many Business leaders fail to enjoy
what they create as huge business empires. They look and feel miserable even
publicly. Evidently, the Embracing attitude did not rule their lives. But, some
business leaders in India are a contrast. They do try to expand by embracing.
EUPHORIA to DEPRESSION
How do such mood swings
happen ; and how to balance ? Especially in Business Environment.
Lot of people succeed by
chance; They become euphoric with success and depressed with failure; because,
success came like a lottery; not just out of one’s own serious efforts for a
specific goal. So, when recession comes in Market, depression comes in them.
Recession (in market) is
bad enough. Do you need depression (inside you) also? Recession is not the end
of the world.
If your aim is to INCLUDE
ALL in your effort – success is not
going to be euphoric. Recession is not going to be depressing. Business leaders
must therefore shift attention from MORE to ALL.
More is expansion by conquest; ALL is expansion by embrace.
MY COMMENTS : Indian stock Market is a classic
example of these mood swings. Many entrepreneurs display these mood swings at
each turn of events. When the Goal is ALL
and not MORE – the leader can enjoy his work and its fruits all the way.
Bill gates’ Microsoft’s wants
to put a computer in every house in the world with a Microsoft software in it. This
is expansion – by inclusiveness in some way. It benefited Microsoft and people
in all countries too. He has now given away about a third of his wealth back to
the world in charities.
N.R.Narayana Murthy many times displayed a thinking
that Infosys will like to make all Infosys men into millionaires. Infosys was
one of the first in India to raise salaries, bonuses and issue of shares to its
associates to international levels.
COLLECTIVE MOOD OF NEGATIVITY IN INDIA
We grossly exaggerate our
achievements and our failures both. Media and Business people talk about India
becoming super power. We don’t have legs. But, we want to climb Everest. For
1.2 billion people, we don’t have
adequate food, clothing, shelter, roads, electricity, water or anything. The
only thing in abundance is – our Population.
What then do we do – with
the people we have? Transform them into an inspired people. Then, yes. We will
be a super power- Every company in the world can possibly be led by an Indian.
We see that in many companies.
Some people become euphoric or morose when markets go up
or down. In such moods – they tend to exaggerate success and failure both.
But, leaders must be able
to see reality – not just imagine of being a SUPER POWER – or, on the negative
side, going into a Depression, when recession hits.
Business leaders must have
the COMMITMENT TO WALK THE DISTANCE. They must take people from POSSIBILITY to
the REALITY. They must have this commitment and the focus. Otherwise, which way
they will go, they will not know. It becomes a question mark. We are missing
the real BIG STEPS that we need to be taking now - because of our tendency to
exaggerate.
MY COMMENT : This analysis is especially
FANTASTIC. Business and Political leaders must stop imagining India as a super
Power – but must do all that is necessary to achieve such a goal. Mere dreams
don’t transform.
DO WE UNDERSTAND & ADMIT WHAT – “WE DON’T KNOW
When we don’t know – but are not willing to admit that we
don’t know – the possibility for us to know shuts down. We will seek to know –
only if we realize and admit that we don’t know. But, If we think, or believe that we know what we
really do not know – the possibility of REALLY KNOWING – just does not exist.
MY COMMENTS : Isn’t this the cornerstone for
every one’s life? I must know what I really know. I must also know what I
really do not know. I must destroy all mere belief systems from the mind. We must awaken to – what we know and what we
need to know.
INABILITY TO HAVE CLEAR MIND & PERCEPTION CLARITY
Perception clarity is
extremely important and relevant for leaders. You are a leader mainly because –
you are able to see something which everybody else is unable to see. You have
an insight which others don’t have. You are able to see the tomorrow TODAY
itself. So you are the leader.
But, if a leader has no
clarity – what happens is – instead of nourishing the roots of the mango tree,
which automatically gives him the mango fruit eventually – he will do a
meditation for mangoes. Leader is goal-driven and the goals are mangoes now.
But, mango meditation does not give mangoes. Nourishing the roots will. So
perception clarity is extremely important for leaders.
If a leader cannot manage
his own mind and has no clarity in his mind – how can he manage a thousand
minds who want to follow him? A leader must manage himself well first. Then
only – in his lap, others will feel safe. People must feel that your thinking
is better.
My comments : Know Yourself – is the best
prescription to all – before we try to know all others around us. Clarity of
perception about our own goals and the paths to them is especially important. People will feel safe
in the hands of the leader whose mind is absolutely clear on where he is
leading his followers.
EGO
Individual really means –
he is indivisible. He is one and he is consistent. But, if we are sometimes
nice and sometimes horrible to people – this horrible fellow who arises in us -
is our EGO.
It is like - there are two
of us inside one. Like a schizophrenic.
Many people in the world did
the nastiest things – taking instructions from God. Others take instructions
from Ego – their inside, local BOY. Both are leading to horrific results.
If we give up the ego, we
find God arising in us.
My comments : As Sadhguru
emphasized several times, inclusiveness, the spirit of Embrace and working for
all and not for MORE – conquers this Ego Problem effectively.
EGO to GOD – IS THERE A CONTINUUM :
We do realize without an
iota of doubt that a mother or father or any human did not create all this
cosmos around us. So, the simple childish answer we get is – the Creator, the
God is up there, who does all this.
In reality, there is
neither up nor down. When you look up above you – someone else is also looking
up – but exactly in the opposite direction, because he is on the other side of
the earth. So, there is really no up or down; and forward or backward. All
these are contextual. In reality, there is only Inward or outward. These are
the only two directions we can really
take – to find anything within us or outside.
My Comments : Forget the God up there. Look
inside deeply in your Meditation. When you look outside, be inclusive and embrace all in your goals. There is no need to look up or down for God we cannot experience there.
NURTURE & BUTCHER (BUILD & DESTROY)
Some Business leaders
(like Jack Welch) emphasize the need for building and then destroying
Businesses at appropriate times, mercilessly.
A Guru’s task is
especially so – to nurture and then Butcher. It is a thankless job.
Some leaders can’t easily
do it – because they have too much of themselves in what they do.
A leader’s action must be
an expression of what he already is. A leader must first become something – and
then do what he needs to do. Then, he knows exactly whether he must build or
destroy. But, many leaders do things, trying to become something in the process,
putting the cart before the horse.
Leader must become what he
needs to become first and then do what
is needed for his business. He then knows exactly what is needed. Else, he will
be doing lot of unnecessary things.
We develop attachments, like
grandmothers – who say they are ready to die now – but, when the grandchild
comes up, they are no more ready to die. So destruction, or butchering, is
difficult even when it is needed - when we develop too much of such attachments
to what we built earlier.
MY COMMENTS :
Many things (though not everything) in our journey of life are to be
given up – at periodic intervals. Else, we cannot move forward in life. You
can’t carry a boat in gratitude, because you traveled in the Boat – says an old Indian proverb.
Move ahead. Leave the Boat.
DHYAN,BHAKTHI, KARMA
HOW TO SEQUENCE THEM & UNDERSTAND THEM
We must clearly understand
that - we can only work with what we have – not with what we don’t have. We can
of course work for - what we don’t have – but not WORK WITH, what we don’t
have.
We all have only four things
that support our actions – Body, Mind, Emotions and Energy. That’s all. Rest of
it is just imagination.
We are not ruling out God
– because, belief in God offers huge solace to many people – and they sleep
well because of this belief.
But, for a leader, the
question is - are you looking for solace or solution?
Solace, which lies in
believing, helps ordinary people. But, a leader needs solutions.
In our country – it is not
people who seek and give solutions, that become leaders, but people who create
problems. We are identifying and accepting someone who breaks, not someone who
builds – as the leader.
Block a sea link or block
one rail road. You will be a leader overnight.
But, you build ten sea
links – you will not be considered a leader. Break one – you are an instant
leader.
People who Stop things - become
leaders; not people who move things. This mindset in us must change.
My comment : In an economic environment – the
emphasis of Sadhguru seems to be on RIGHT ACTION by the leader. Bhakti and Dhyan
arise in a different context.
**** Please do not Miss the CONTINUATION OF THIS FULL SESSION, which is covered in next Blog post .at :
http://wisespiritualideas.blogspot.in/2012/04/in-conversation-with-mystic-26-03-2012.html
http://wisespiritualideas.blogspot.in/2012/04/in-conversation-with-mystic-26-03-2012.html
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